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Posting this so theirs no arguments.str 7 thrown weapon.http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t=56108  link fixed.

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Red Eye Mountain
Borimago lvl 31 magus
Gormbaio lvl 31 marauder
Gobrmaio lvl 20 Herder
Borimaog lvl 20 DoK
Bormaigo lvl 16 Black guard

The link doesn't work.
Try this http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t=56108

Now, while Druchii.net might be a good forum (I don't know I don't bother going online to cheese out my army lists and net deck) it appears it is not anything official from GW. So as most of the posts in that thread seem to say, and I didn't read all of them cause it's really long and I
don't care enough, we;ll have to wait until some kind of official word, probably in the way of a FAQ comes out from GW to know for sure.
So when that happens print it out and carry it with you to show all the technologically impaired among us who don't troll the depths of the internet for alternate rules for a game that has nothing to do with  anything electronic or computer related.
In the meantime, everyone, feel free to argue with Corey to your hearts content.

As an aside, you would think with a brand new army book there wouldn't be a need for any FAQ or errata yet. Oh, well.

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Powergamer Lite. For those that could stand to loose a few.

what it means is they'res no faq against it, but you have to read it, it says poison goes on any non magical weapon, not just melee.

 but it hasn't been faq'ed. and what the argument is if you cared to look at it is not that the poison works is that does the +1 str add before or after from the rending stars.

And this is a pretty obvious combo, not that mercy can find them in his own army, just keep playing that dragon mage and i'll keep killing it...lol!

You know ASF only works in melee right. lets see take a charge with spearmen say 21 ,7 wide

that's 22 asf str 3 attacks with champion because of the 3 rank deal, gee tom said he'd take big block spearman... makes sense to me.

Use your army's strength asf, screw the archers, they don't have str 7 range attacks like assasins lol.

And yes your post was annoying, give your know it all attitude a rest it's getting old.

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Red Eye Mountain
Borimago lvl 31 magus
Gormbaio lvl 31 marauder
Gobrmaio lvl 20 Herder
Borimaog lvl 20 DoK
Bormaigo lvl 16 Black guard

"As an aside, you would think with a brand new army book there wouldn't be a need for any FAQ or errata yet. Oh, well."

 

GW can't even be bothered to make coherant rules, never mind balanced ones. They rely on us to point out to them the fact that their rules make no sense.

"A model with a weapon coated with Manbane always counts thier Strength as one higher than thier target's Toughness, unless thier Strength would normally be more than this, up to a maximum of Strength 6. This means that they almost always wound opponents on a roll of 3+. This modified Strength is used to calculate armour save modifiers."

 

I think its pretty simple.

 

An assassin always uses his base str + weapon bonus when fighting.

Manbane is a special rule. Model is always 1 str higher than enemy toughness unless his str is already higher to a maximum of 6.

So if your DE had a total str of 5 after mods and was fighting a toughness 2 model he would retain his str 5 rather than drop down to 3 ( manbane - cause str is already higher ) or 4 ( manbane + weapon bonus - again str is already higher ) so why would the rule flip at the higher levels. If the same str 5 Elf was fighting something that was toughness 7 say. He would normally be Str 4 + weapon bonus ( say +1 for 5 ) but because of Manbane he can be counted as Str 6.

I think you would get whichever gives you a higher bonus. The Str + bonus  or  the Manbane ability.

Or at least thats the way I would play it.

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I think I understand.

the key word is ALWAYS count their STR 1 higher than toughness not just for this attack

so his regular str is 4 say target is T 5, so for all attacks against target his STR is 6 now the rending star adds +1 Str to the rending star attack so Str 7. the weapon itself adds the +1, it doesn't add to the assasins actual str like manbane does.

so if he attacked in melee his str would be 6.

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Red Eye Mountain
Borimago lvl 31 magus
Gormbaio lvl 31 marauder
Gobrmaio lvl 20 Herder
Borimaog lvl 20 DoK
Bormaigo lvl 16 Black guard

I think the ALWAYS is intended to show that strength diminishing effects will not change the fact that manbane counts as 1 st higher than the targets toughness, not to boost other weapons bonus'. As a side note I believe manbane replaces regular poison on weapons so rolling 6's for auto wounds would no longer take effect.

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The best form of government is a benevolant dictatorship. So vote Duke for King!

Why do you always find it necessary to manipulate the rules or exploit poorly written or confusing ones in order to gain an advantage?
You make puppies sad.

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Powergamer Lite. For those that could stand to loose a few.

Well, I'm going to read up on it, and we'll make an "official" house rule for here at Red Claw. I'll post later today once I've had a chance to read it over and give it some thought.

Tom @ Red Claw

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Do not question our wisdom, for in it is your doom.
Wood Elves: 2-1-4
Brahm, Disciple of Khaine, Lvl 17
Greantoof, Shaman, Lvl 8

Why do you always disagree with everything I say and I prove you wrong everytime, like I said it's getting old.

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Red Eye Mountain
Borimago lvl 31 magus
Gormbaio lvl 31 marauder
Gobrmaio lvl 20 Herder
Borimaog lvl 20 DoK
Bormaigo lvl 16 Black guard

Cause it's fun.
And you make puppies sad.

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Powergamer Lite. For those that could stand to loose a few.

CoreyM:

Posting this so theirs no arguments.str 7 thrown weapon.http://www.druchii.net/viewtopic.php?t=56108  link fixed.

How does a link to a thread with a big argument in it curtail arguments? /wink

I'm personally in the camp that thinks the word 'always' in the manbane rule means exactly what it says.